
THE CLEARING WITH KATHERINE MAY
Oliver Burkeman’s art of the non-retreat
Hello,
Kicking off the episode with an existential crisis, the inimitable Oliver Burkeman joins me to explore his own, unique take on rest and retreat.
A familiar name to many in both the US and the UK, Oliver’s book Four Thousand Weeks has put him at the heart of the global conversation around building a meaningful life. As you might expect, their chat runs the gamut from whether we should use AI as a creative tool to favourite notebooks to whether TS Eliot was on the path to spiritual enlightenment.

A wonderful, brain-stretching conversation that reaches way beyond the confines of an imagined cabin in the woods to explore wider ideas around what it really means to get away from it all and if we should even try.
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Show notes:
Oliver’s website to buy his books and sign up to his newsletter
Things mentioned in the programme:
Kendra Allenby’s New Yorker beach cartoon
NYC stationery store Goods for the Study
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