You can now watch my podcast on YouTube • I’m appearing in Margate at the Turner gallery’s first Winter Wellness festival on 30th January • I was part of The Poetry Detective’s Overwintering episode on BBC Radio 4. Listen here.

THE CLEARING WITH KATHERINE MAY
Martha Beck and Rowan Mangan on the magic of communing with every living thing
Hello,
This episode of The Clearing with renowned, Oprah-endorsed American life coach Martha Beck and her wonderful wife and podcast co-host Rowan Mangan skips the small talk and delves right into the mysteries and wonder of life and death.

From the consciousness of stones to the nonsensical hierarchy of different sentient beings on earth. From the spiritual repression of our age to the societal need for a shaman. From the realities of living in a liminal space as an autistic person, to parenting neurodivergent children to each of their own unique ‘awakenings’.
With uncannily similar experiences of the world, Martha, Ro and I roll through a dizzying array of mind-expanding subjects and shared interests, resulting in a truly captivating and enriching episode.
Show notes:
Martha’s website where you can find her books
Rowan’s website
Martha’s Instagram
Rowan’s Instagram
Martha and Rowan’s Bewildered podcast
Things mentioned in the show:
Poet Andrea Gibson’s website and movie Come See Me in the Good Light
Nisargadatta Maharaj wiki
The Magician’s Nephew by C.S. Lewis here
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You can read the transcript here:
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